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- bread Digest Thursday, 12 Sep 1991
- Volume 2 : Issue 18
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- Today's Topics:
- Odd flours (Wendy Campbell)
- Salt Rising Bread (Wendy Campbell)
- Re: gooey centers (Bruce M. Binder)
- Odd flours (Karen Plaskon)
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- From: C5CX9J%IRISHMVS.CC.ND.EDU@UICVM.uic.edu
- Subject: Odd flours
-
- Karen,
-
- Cannot tell where you are located from you email address but here
- is what I suggest:
- -Locate some health-food stores; they may have them.
- -If there is a community of Seventh Day Adventists (sp) near
- you find out where they shop; they usually have a wide range
- available.
- -Try the following (which is where I get mine) and see if they
- will either ship to you or recommend a place close to you where
- you might be able to obtain them.
- Apple Valley Market
- Berrian Springs, Michigan 49103
- (616) 471-6873
- This should be enough address since the town is relatively
- small and the store conneted with a college there.
-
- Some of the flours I have gotten are: bread flour, wheat, rye,
- and oat. They also carry things like clear gluten, nut powders,
- raw wheat germ and many other things that turn up more often in
- bread recipes than in grocery stores.
-
- If you try them and they cannot help you, e-mail me and perhaps we
- can work out a plan for me to pick things up and ship them to you.
- Please let me know if they do ship as I have had this type question
- come up before.
-
- Good luck and remember: old bread bakers never die; they just get
- gooey in the middle.j
-
- Wendy
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- Wendy Campbell * * * * *
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- Take time to smell the flowers * * * * *
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- From: C5CX9J%IRISHMVS.CC.ND.EDU@UICVM.uic.edu
- Subject: Salt Rising Bread
-
- John,
-
- The problem is, you are looking in the wrong cook books; they're
- obviously too new. The following two recipes come from Marion
- Harland's Complete Cook Book, published in 1903. NOTE: I have not
- tried these two recipes and do not know how they would (or if they
- would) work in the bread machines. Since my schedule is really
- busy these days you will no doubt try them before I do and I would
- appreciate knowing how they come out. Thanks.
-
- These are being typed just as they appear in the cook book. If you
- have difficulties or questions, feel free to email. First time
- experiences with recipes written in the old-fashioned way can be,
- shall we say, interesting. Here are a few hints and/or translations
- to get you started in case you need help.
- -Most of us, these days, do not have wooden bowls large enough
- for such an operation. Not to worry, use ceramic, glass, or
- even plastic. Using metal is *not* recommended.
- -Blood-warm is that temperature at which you give a baby a
- bottle; you know, when you drop it on your wrist it is neither
- hot nor cold.
- -You will note that no temperatures are given. Using the
- setting for your favorite bread recipes is, most likely the
- best (at least to start with). Remember that in 1903 many
- women were still cooking on wood cook stoves.
- -"...pitcher, deep and of narrow mouth..." does not really
- have to be a pitcher but the deep and narrow is to facilitate
- the fermenting so do use a vessel that is deep and narrow.
- Again, no metal.
- These are the most obvious possible questions I could see--email if
- any more.
-
- 'SALT RISING' BREAD (No. 1)
-
- (An old Virginia recipe)
-
- Dissolve a half-teaspoonful of salt in two cups of scalding
- water, and beat in gradually enough flour to make a very soft
- dough. Beat for ten minutes, cover and set in a very warm place
- for eight hours. Now stir a teaspoonful of salt into a pint of
- lukewarm milk and add enough flour to make a stiff batter before
- working it into the risen dough. Mix thouroughly, cover, and set
- again in a warm place to rise until very light. Turn into a
- wooden bowl and knead in enough flour to make the batter of the
- consistency of ordinary bread dough. Make into loaves and set
- those these to rise, and, when light, bake.
-
-
- 'SALT RISING' BREAD (No. 2)
-
- (Contributed)
-
- Put a quart of warm water,--not scalding hot, but at blood-
- heat,--into a pitcher, deep and of narrow mouth. Beat into it one
- teaspoonful of sugar, one-half teaspoonful of salt, a lump of soda
- not larger than a pea and (not necessarily, but preferably) a
- tablespoonful of corn-meal, with enough flour to make a rather
- thick, but not really stiff, batter. Set your pitcher, well covered,
- into a stone jar or other deep vessel, and surround it with blood-
- warm water, setting it where such temperature will be quite evenly
- maintained. Never allow it to reach scalding heat. In two and a
- half hours, or, at the very most, three and a half, you will have
- foaming yeast. Now take a pan of flour, make a hhole in the center,
- pour in the foaming yeast with as much water, gradually mixed with
- the yeast and flour, as will make the number of loaves desired. Do
- not make the dough very stiff. It should quake visibly when the pan
- is shaken. Cover well with dry flour and clean cloths, set in a
- warm place (temperature 80 degrees or 100 degrees Fahrenheit, or
- thereabouts), and, as soon as light, knead into loaves, which will
- soon rise enough for baking. Do not delay baking after the last
- rising, or your bread may have a slightly sour taste. Bake thoroughly,
- and no better or more wholesome fermented bread could be asked for.
-
- Enjoy and remember: old bread bakers never die; they just become
- very well "bread".
-
- Wendy
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- Wendy Campbell * * * * *
- c5cx9j@irishmvs.cc.nd.edu |/ |/ |/ |/ |/
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- Take time to smell the flowers * * * * *
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- From: bruceb@lccsd.sd.locus.com (Bruce M. Binder)
- Subject: Re: gooey centers
-
- >From: dee@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu
- >Subject: gooey centers, sigh
- >
- > Yep! I finally joined the gooey-center-group.
- >
- > The latest flop was with
- > the whole wheat banana bread (from DAK's book)...the out-
- > side was burned and the inside was completely raw. (The
- > outer inch was cooked). I then put it in my oven at 350
- > degrees ... 45 minutes later (!!!) it was still raw in
- > the middle! ^^^^^
- >
- > I would very much like to know if the folks who have com-
- > plained previously about gooey centers have had their
- > problems using oil recipes? And did their machines behave
- > normally when using a margerine recipe?
-
- Every time I try the whole wheat banana recipe now, it flops in
- exactly that way. I originally suspected the machine was the
- problem because the first two times I made it, it came out
- perfectly. The other recipes that I have seen problems with are the
- Russian Black Bread and the Egg Bread. I haven't made the egg
- bread myself but a woman I work with has. She says it worked fine
- for her the first few times before she started getting a gooey
- center. I will check the recipes and try with different oils and
- let you know what happens.
-
- My machine is actually the Welbilt so I have not been able to avail
- myself of DAK's reknown service policies. I have recounted my
- experience with Welbilt in this forum and haven't been satisfied.
- If you get any help from DAK, I'd be interested in hearing about
- it.
-
- <bruceb>
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- From: kla@karen.webo.dg.com (Karen Plaskon)
- Subject: Odd flours
-
- Thanx alot! I'll have to check out some health food stores around
- here (Massachusetts) first seeing as I've gotten that suggestion
- several times, then I'll try giving the Apple Valley Market a call.
- Sounds like a wonderful place!
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