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bread Digest Thursday, 12 Sep 1991
Volume 2 : Issue 18
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Today's Topics:
Odd flours (Wendy Campbell)
Salt Rising Bread (Wendy Campbell)
Re: gooey centers (Bruce M. Binder)
Odd flours (Karen Plaskon)
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From: C5CX9J%IRISHMVS.CC.ND.EDU@UICVM.uic.edu
Subject: Odd flours
Karen,
Cannot tell where you are located from you email address but here
is what I suggest:
-Locate some health-food stores; they may have them.
-If there is a community of Seventh Day Adventists (sp) near
you find out where they shop; they usually have a wide range
available.
-Try the following (which is where I get mine) and see if they
will either ship to you or recommend a place close to you where
you might be able to obtain them.
Apple Valley Market
Berrian Springs, Michigan 49103
(616) 471-6873
This should be enough address since the town is relatively
small and the store conneted with a college there.
Some of the flours I have gotten are: bread flour, wheat, rye,
and oat. They also carry things like clear gluten, nut powders,
raw wheat germ and many other things that turn up more often in
bread recipes than in grocery stores.
If you try them and they cannot help you, e-mail me and perhaps we
can work out a plan for me to pick things up and ship them to you.
Please let me know if they do ship as I have had this type question
come up before.
Good luck and remember: old bread bakers never die; they just get
gooey in the middle.j
Wendy
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Wendy Campbell * * * * *
c5cx9j@irishmvs.cc.nd.edu ¢|/ ¢|/ ¢|/ ¢|/ ¢|/
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Take time to smell the flowers * * * * *
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From: C5CX9J%IRISHMVS.CC.ND.EDU@UICVM.uic.edu
Subject: Salt Rising Bread
John,
The problem is, you are looking in the wrong cook books; they're
obviously too new. The following two recipes come from Marion
Harland's Complete Cook Book, published in 1903. NOTE: I have not
tried these two recipes and do not know how they would (or if they
would) work in the bread machines. Since my schedule is really
busy these days you will no doubt try them before I do and I would
appreciate knowing how they come out. Thanks.
These are being typed just as they appear in the cook book. If you
have difficulties or questions, feel free to email. First time
experiences with recipes written in the old-fashioned way can be,
shall we say, interesting. Here are a few hints and/or translations
to get you started in case you need help.
-Most of us, these days, do not have wooden bowls large enough
for such an operation. Not to worry, use ceramic, glass, or
even plastic. Using metal is *not* recommended.
-Blood-warm is that temperature at which you give a baby a
bottle; you know, when you drop it on your wrist it is neither
hot nor cold.
-You will note that no temperatures are given. Using the
setting for your favorite bread recipes is, most likely the
best (at least to start with). Remember that in 1903 many
women were still cooking on wood cook stoves.
-"...pitcher, deep and of narrow mouth..." does not really
have to be a pitcher but the deep and narrow is to facilitate
the fermenting so do use a vessel that is deep and narrow.
Again, no metal.
These are the most obvious possible questions I could see--email if
any more.
'SALT RISING' BREAD (No. 1)
(An old Virginia recipe)
Dissolve a half-teaspoonful of salt in two cups of scalding
water, and beat in gradually enough flour to make a very soft
dough. Beat for ten minutes, cover and set in a very warm place
for eight hours. Now stir a teaspoonful of salt into a pint of
lukewarm milk and add enough flour to make a stiff batter before
working it into the risen dough. Mix thouroughly, cover, and set
again in a warm place to rise until very light. Turn into a
wooden bowl and knead in enough flour to make the batter of the
consistency of ordinary bread dough. Make into loaves and set
those these to rise, and, when light, bake.
'SALT RISING' BREAD (No. 2)
(Contributed)
Put a quart of warm water,--not scalding hot, but at blood-
heat,--into a pitcher, deep and of narrow mouth. Beat into it one
teaspoonful of sugar, one-half teaspoonful of salt, a lump of soda
not larger than a pea and (not necessarily, but preferably) a
tablespoonful of corn-meal, with enough flour to make a rather
thick, but not really stiff, batter. Set your pitcher, well covered,
into a stone jar or other deep vessel, and surround it with blood-
warm water, setting it where such temperature will be quite evenly
maintained. Never allow it to reach scalding heat. In two and a
half hours, or, at the very most, three and a half, you will have
foaming yeast. Now take a pan of flour, make a hhole in the center,
pour in the foaming yeast with as much water, gradually mixed with
the yeast and flour, as will make the number of loaves desired. Do
not make the dough very stiff. It should quake visibly when the pan
is shaken. Cover well with dry flour and clean cloths, set in a
warm place (temperature 80 degrees or 100 degrees Fahrenheit, or
thereabouts), and, as soon as light, knead into loaves, which will
soon rise enough for baking. Do not delay baking after the last
rising, or your bread may have a slightly sour taste. Bake thoroughly,
and no better or more wholesome fermented bread could be asked for.
Enjoy and remember: old bread bakers never die; they just become
very well "bread".
Wendy
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Wendy Campbell * * * * *
c5cx9j@irishmvs.cc.nd.edu |/ |/ |/ |/ |/
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Take time to smell the flowers * * * * *
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From: bruceb@lccsd.sd.locus.com (Bruce M. Binder)
Subject: Re: gooey centers
>From: dee@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu
>Subject: gooey centers, sigh
>
> Yep! I finally joined the gooey-center-group.
>
> The latest flop was with
> the whole wheat banana bread (from DAK's book)...the out-
> side was burned and the inside was completely raw. (The
> outer inch was cooked). I then put it in my oven at 350
> degrees ... 45 minutes later (!!!) it was still raw in
> the middle! ^^^^^
>
> I would very much like to know if the folks who have com-
> plained previously about gooey centers have had their
> problems using oil recipes? And did their machines behave
> normally when using a margerine recipe?
Every time I try the whole wheat banana recipe now, it flops in
exactly that way. I originally suspected the machine was the
problem because the first two times I made it, it came out
perfectly. The other recipes that I have seen problems with are the
Russian Black Bread and the Egg Bread. I haven't made the egg
bread myself but a woman I work with has. She says it worked fine
for her the first few times before she started getting a gooey
center. I will check the recipes and try with different oils and
let you know what happens.
My machine is actually the Welbilt so I have not been able to avail
myself of DAK's reknown service policies. I have recounted my
experience with Welbilt in this forum and haven't been satisfied.
If you get any help from DAK, I'd be interested in hearing about
it.
<bruceb>
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( ,)( \/ )( ,) Bruce M. Binder (619) 587-0511
) ,\ ) ( ) ,\ Locus Computing Corporation bruceb@locus.com
(___/(_/\/\_)(___/ San Diego, California ...!ucsd!lccsd!bruceb
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From: kla@karen.webo.dg.com (Karen Plaskon)
Subject: Odd flours
Thanx alot! I'll have to check out some health food stores around
here (Massachusetts) first seeing as I've gotten that suggestion
several times, then I'll try giving the Apple Valley Market a call.
Sounds like a wonderful place!
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